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Canik55 TP-9 is now available in Karachi.

Comes with
2 x 19 rounds magazine
Extra back straps 2 set
Paddle holster
Inside the pant holster
Cleaning rod nylon + brass
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Loaded chamber indicator
Polymer frame
Alloy steel barrel


Looks wise very excellent


Price 72000/-


I think this pistol is threat for caracal.


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pics updated....

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Brother, which dealer is selling it in 72 K? I can only say that he is grossly overcharging. A reasonable price for this handgun should not be more than 55 K. Please do not pay this much as the dealer is again trying to get a huge profit on this gun. If you guys show your resolve, he will come down in price considerably because I know he has lot of margin in it.

BTW, IMHO this gun is not at all better than the alloy frame Caniks which are based on CZ 75 design. This one is not based on CZ 75 design. Alloy frame Canik models like Shark, Piranha, Stingray, Dolphin and L/S series are proven and tested models. This one is just a new comer and a new design. Why should one pay 20 K more than a proven Canik for a gun which is yet to prove itself.

Has anyone bought it and shot around 500-1000 rounds with it? Before that, we cant be really sure what we are talking about!!

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KBW sb has already covered all aspects.

This is a very new weapon, with no global reviews, while Caracal has a few years, and a few positive reviews up its sleeve. No comparison at this point in time. If the Caracal must be in the price range of 65k odd, this must be in the price range of 40k, specially considering that the alloy frame models of Canik55 are about 48-50k.

By the way, the biggest threat for Caracal is its selling price!

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BTW, IMHO this gun is not at all better than the alloy frame Caniks which are based on CZ 75 design. This one is not based on CZ 75 design. Alloy frame Canik models like Shark, Piranha, Stingray, Dolphin and L/S series are proven and tested models. This one is just a new comer and a new design. Why should one pay 20 K more than a proven Canik for a gun which is yet to prove itself.


+ 1 .

The TP 9 is an exact Walther P99 AS knock of with TDA trigger pull and decocker that needs to be proven in the hands of the end users...


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Ok. But better looks and finish.
C100 and shark are also now adays cost 55000/-

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C100 and L120 is far far better than any other in this price range.. and around 50K.. just for my friend couple of days ago. Adnan at Ali Muhammad Arms shop is the ONLY good and reasonable person IMHO.. whom i would prefer to work with..

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I have been offered TP-9 at Rs. 65k (may be he will come down to 63k). I really liked the looks and the grip suited my hands perfectly. I am making my mind to buy it as soon as I get my license.

@lupus --> bro, I was at some turkish forum (translated by googled) and some one has mentioned that TP-9 has gone all the torture test e.g. -45 degree test and 10k round test. Now do you think that it is worth buying TP-9?

@canik --> bro, you have used at least 2 pistols from canik 55 i.e. shark c and c100. Other members have used L120 and pirhana and all of them are satisified with them. Don't you think that canik55 is better among turkish manufacturers and they can also make a good copy of Walther P99 AS?


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Don't you think that canik55 is better among turkish manufacturers and they can also make a good copy of Walther P99 AS?


'Think' is the punch word. TP9 does not have user feedback, and may not come out as someone would want to think of it, and then... I do not intend to say it is not a good weapon. I intend to say that it is not a 'tried' weapon. If Lupus bro (or anyone else) can give some user feedback, that would be the best opinion for you to base your decision on.

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@saif --> yes bro, lets wait for those who have tried it :)


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On face of it, other Canik55 pistols are copies of CZ 75 design, one of the best pistol ever manufactured. TP9 is a copy of Walther P99, a pistol which is yet to attain a solid reputation in the international market itself. It would be interesting to see that how good is the copy of such a pistol. :roll:

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@canik, Nice pistol bro, but what's special about it ?

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@ polyglot 80
Yes bro, i bought two without any user feedback or torture test.
And satisfied user,,, i also feel the same about grips, looks.
I have my eye now days on sp01 or duty, Otherwise ma zaroor le leta.
Kisi na kisi ko to chance lena parey ga.
Agarfeedback ki talash ma rahe to koi bhi nahe le sake ga.

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@ mian jee dont know about performance.
But you can see the quality of this gun in above posted pics.

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Sarsilmaz, we have not many users of sarsilmaz guns.
Stoeger, only have one model available withdifferent finish and rails etc.
Tisas, was a very famous but nowadays new comers are not interested in tisas models
Akdal. Ohhh man, dont waste money
Canik, too many models and all are reliable and in the reach of average people.
A test was held between canik and scorpion and canikmwas the winner in terms of accuracy.
Nowadays caniks are popular and good guns
Pirhana, shark, stingray. And too many models available

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@kbw --> Walther P99 AS is quite a famous gun. Remember 007 movies :p

@canik --> thanks for the positive reply. I am thinking to give TP-9 a bismillah :)

@lupus --> still waiting for your response.


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Canik wrote:
A test was held between canik and scorpion and canik was the winner in terms of accuracy.
Nowadays caniks are popular and good guns
Pirhana, shark, stingray. And too many models available


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@canik --> thanks for the positive reply.


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On face of it, other Canik55 pistols are copies of CZ 75 design, one of the best pistol ever manufactured. TP9 is a copy of Walther P99, a pistol which is yet to attain a solid reputation in the international market itself. It would be interesting to see that how good is the copy of such a pistol.


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BTW, IMHO this gun is not at all better than the alloy frame Caniks which are based on CZ 75 design. This one is not based on CZ 75 design. Alloy frame Canik models like Shark, Piranha, Stingray, Dolphin and L/S series are proven and tested models. This one is just a new comer and a new design. Why should one pay 20 K more than a proven Canik for a gun which is yet to prove itself.


+ 1 .

The TP 9 is an exact Walther P99 AS knock of with TDA trigger pull and decocker that needs to be proven in the hands of the end users...


Based on this, I would love you to purchase and review the TP9 so that we know more about it, but if asked for advise, I would advise against purchasing it. However, if you are sold to this weapon, just get it regardless of the feedback..

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@kbw --> Walther P99 AS is quite a famous gun. Remember 007 movies :p

@canik --> thanks for the positive reply. I am thinking to give TP-9 a bismillah :)

@lupus --> still waiting for your response.

The handgun used in almost all 007 movies was the Walther PPK (the shorter version of the "famous" Walther PP)

There is no 007 movie with a Walther P99, except maybe "Tomorrow Never Dies"! (and I'm not sure about that too!)

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@kbw --> Walther P99 AS is quite a famous gun. Remember 007 movies :p

@canik --> thanks for the positive reply. I am thinking to give TP-9 a bismillah :)

@lupus --> still waiting for your response.


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@polygot80
As clarified by MR, James Bond 007 used Walther PPK in the movies and not Walther P99.

Walther P99 has to go a long way to establish itself. It is in competition with guns like Glock 19, Steyr M9, Springfield XD, S&W M&P 9 and now, even Caracal.

I agree with Saif on the matter of giving advice / opinion. I believe when a member asks for opinion / recommendation, we should give our honest opinion, no matter what it is and indicate all the good / bad points of that gun that are known to us. We should not be diplomatic in doing that. However, when it comes to buying, it is that member's personal choice and he should do whatever is best for him.

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P99 used in (1) tomorrow never dies,, (2) die another day and the (3) world is not enough by pierce brosnan in 007 movies released in year 96, 97, 02 respectively.
Also in casino royale by daniel craig in year 06

The other famous film in which p99 used are tomb raider, the matrix reloaded and the bourne supermacy.

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@ Canik:
So I remembered correctly, in Tomorrow never dies Bond is offered the P99 by a Chinese Agent and he uses it in the next three movies. Reverting back to Walther PPK in Quantum of Solace, I believe.

Thanks for the correction! ;)

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@MR --> Don't get tired by recalling your memories. Please visit http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Walther_P99

Please stop trying to be Master of All Trades, Jack of None. Although I respect everybody's knowledge.


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@MR --> Don't get tired by recalling your memories. Please visit http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Walther_P99

Please stop trying to be Master of All Trades, Jack of None. Although I respect everybody's knowledge.

I apologise if I offended you!

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Chill guys...

@ MR liked your Gesture

@ Polyglot80

below is the Wikipedia data (copied from site) walther p99 is in service of different LEA
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Canada: SPVM (Montreal Police).[17][18]
Finland: Used by the Finnish Defence Forces as the PIST 2003 (Pistooli 2003).[19] The Walther P99Q has also been chosen as the new personal handgun for police, customs and border guard personnel. Some 650-900 handguns will be acquired annually between 2012 and 2020.[4]
Germany: 41,000 P99DAO pistols purchased in 2005 for the North Rhine-Westphalia Police.[20][21] The State police of Rhineland-Palatinate procurred approx. 10,000 units of the P99Q. The P99Q has also been ordered by the police forces of Hamburg (8,000 pistols), Bremen (2,000 pistols) and Schleswig-Holstein (8,000 pistols) with deliveries between 2009 and 2017.[22]
Ireland: An Garda Síochána detective specialist units use the P99C.[23]
Malaysia: Royal Malaysia Police (20,000 pistols).[24][25]
Poland[26]
Portugal[27]



well p99 is highly cost in Pakistan, so TP9 is a great replacement in averaged amount.
dont confuse, if u want users feedback, search and check on internet (many data available)
and yes TP9 is very new so mostly forum users are not taking chance to recommend you.

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PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC WHICH IS CANIK TP9.
IF A WEAPON IS USED IN A MOVIE, IT DOES NOT MAKE IT A QUALITY ITEM. OR DOES IT?

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@MR --> no no, no need of apologies :)

@moderator --> thanks for considering my remarks as sarcasm. i m honoured :)


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With all due respect to Mr. Bond, on both occasions that I've shot P99 at the range (20 + 20 rounds) , I didn't like it. It's trigger makes it a real pain to shoot. And if someone asked me to spend my hard earned 65k on a Turkish copy of P-99, .... well "No Siryee". I would rather invest that money in something tried and tested even if I had to spend 10k-20k more. A lot of better options in this price range out there.

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@SA --> I think you are talking about Caracal. Right bro?


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@lupus --> bro, I was at some turkish forum (translated by googled) and some one has mentioned that TP-9 has gone all the torture test e.g. -45 degree test and 10k round test. Now do you think that it is worth buying TP-9?





I do not remember any modern pistol which is not advertised as passing many rigorious torture tests...

I do not believe in torture tests...I do believe in real feed-backs by real end-users from real world...


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Apologies in advance in the context of deviating from the topic . What about the Sarsilmaz St10 (HK USP clone ) . AT least thats tested and its hammer fired .Any comments

Mod Edit: Sir you may open a new thread for discussing Sasilmaz St10 in the Handgun Section. This thread concerns Canik TP-9.
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I do not remember any modern pistol which is not advertised as passing many rigorious torture tests...

I do not believe in torture tests...I do believe in real feed-backs by real end-users from real world...
Sir I fully agree with you :text-bravo:

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@lupus --> I sent an email to Canik55 regarding TP-9. Here is their reply:

Dear Syed,

First of all thank you very much for your kind interest to our company & brand.

Regarding TP-9, because this is our new model, it has been in the markets just for 1 month so it is too early for people to buy, try, test and comment on it on the website.

But from our side, the factory had applied many tests and both the pistol & barrel is very reliable we are suppliyng it to Turkish Police right now, and they also applied many tests on the pistols, so without any hesitation you can buy our product, and for surely our dealer/distributors will support you for any of your questions.

Best Regards,

Madam Ozlem

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Tel : +90 312 2232034

Mob : +90 533 7045988

Fax : +90 312 2232245

Mail : ozlem@canik55.com

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@lupus --> Bro, Canik55 has applied test etc (see in green) and for real people's test (see in red)

Anyhow, I might be the first pakistani/turkish who is going to buy it and give some feedback.

I wonder, why people don't like Walther P99 AS and why they don't trust the most trusted weapon company that is Canik55 in Turkey.

I always try new and cheaper products, for example I preferred Siemens C55 mobile-set to Nokia etc. Because it has all the options and accessories with it (Although it was snatched by me in 2002). The same goes with TP-9, it has cold forged barrel, modern looks, high capacity, nice box and accessories etc.

But buying and selling back any weapon in Pakistan is not that easy. Therefore I will go to the arms market as soon as I get my license and then I will hold CZ999, TP-9 and Shark C. Then I will decide which to buy.

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@lupus --> Bro, Canik55 has applied test etc (see in green) and for real people's test (see in red)

Anyhow, I might be the first pakistani/turkish who is going to buy it and give some feedback.

I wonder, why people don't like Walther P99 AS and why they don't trust the most trusted weapon company that is Canik55 in Turkey.

I always try new and cheaper products, for example I preferred Siemens C55 mobile-set to Nokia etc. Because it has all the options and accessories with it (Although it was snatched by me in 2002). The same goes with TP-9, it has cold forged barrel, modern looks, high capacity, nice box and accessories etc.

But buying and selling back any weapon in Pakistan is not that easy. Therefore I will go to the arms market as soon as I get my license and then I will hold CZ999, TP-9 and Shark C. Then I will decide which to buy.

Lupus bro, thanks for the reply :)



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I wonder, why people don't like Walther P99 AS and why they don't trust the most trusted weapon company that is Canik55 in Turkey.

Sir, IMHO people don't like Walther P99 because it is average gun sold in 300-350 k. There are many CZ guns available in market which are better and price is three times less. So why should I pay 350 k for average gun?

About Canik55, I think it is one of the most popular company in Pakistan in less price range. In my view, it is most popular. What make you think that people dont trust Canik product in Pakistan? the only thing is that Canik TP9 is very new and there is no user feed back on it. That is why no one give you any sure reply. Other models of Canik55 like Shark, Piranha, Dolphin are very popular because they are copy of CZ 75 which is one of the best gun ever made. TP-9 is copy of Walther P99 which stand nowhere in the line of Best Guns. But may be TP9 is a very good pistol and we dont know about it. now you are buying it and will come to know about this gun through you. Congrats in advance Sir :greetings-waveyellow:

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@canik --> Thanks in advance :)

@MythBuster --> Bro, I am not just talking about Pakistan, I am talking about all other countries as well. Some people love them and some people hate them. Some people have love and hate relationship with Walther P99 AS. In Pakistan, we have "BHAIR CHAAL", if some one says CZ 75 is the best weapon in the world, we start buying them, if some one says Viking has broken frame problem, we stop buying them.

I am also emphasizing that Canik55 is generally very well reputed company in Pakistan. We love Canik55 because they are cheap alternative to CZ 75. But when it comes to Canik55 TP-9, we start showing doubts as if Canik55 is going to ruin its reputation by making junk clone of a junk pistol.


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@ polyglot..
Tp9 price..? now adays

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@canik

Mega Armoury --> 70k negotiable.
Another Dealer through my friend --> 65 k (may be negotiable to 63 K)


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ok brother. prices are coming down.

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The official importer of Canik is Pak Armoury. I called them at least 10 times but they picked only once and they person on the other side is some sort of CHHOTA and didn't know the price of TP-9.

BTW The actual retail price of TP-9 is 63.5 K.


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In my view, 50-55 k is reasonable price for TP-9. If other metal frame Canik pistols are 48-55 K than why polymer frame is expensive from same company. I think dealers are again trying to set high price of a new gun so that they make more money.

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Sir, if people say that CZ is a good gun and than everyone start buying it than i dont think it is "BHAIR CHAAL". i think popularity of CZ 75 models is because of performance and not BHAIR CHAAL. Please tell me that is there any other gun in 100-135 k which can give performance equal to CZ 75 TS, Shadow, CZ 85 Combat, CZ P07 Duty or Omega or Rami? It is the high performance of CZ 75 in reasonable price which make it the most popular gun in Pakistan. If same CZ 75 price was 400 k than I will never buy it but now I have two CZs and I will buy another when I have money. Walther P99 is un-popular in Pakistan not because people here have no knowledge and experience of pistols (so they follow BHAIR CHAAL) but because it is average pistol sold in 350 k. If the price of P99 is 90-100 k than many people will buy it. One of my friend has Walther P99 and I always tell him that why he waste so much money on this pistol because it shoots nowhere close to my CZs. In the same price in which my friend buy one P99, I will buy 3 CZ and every CZ will be better than P99. This is my view on this. :)

Second, the reason for not giving same status to TP9 as other pistols of Canik55 comany is that TP-9 is a different and new model. Every company make good as well bad models. So it is not sure that if a company makes 3 good pistols than fourth will be sure shot good. It may be and it may be not. Even companies like Smith & Wesson sometime make guns which fail (like Sigma 9VE). So one has to check and test a new gun and only than one can say that it is good. Other models of Canik55 are popular because they have all tested on the range for their performance. May be TP9 is better than all of them but we still don't know. We have to see the range performance.

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@MythBuster --> Bro, I am not just talking about Pakistan, I am talking about all other countries as well. Some people love them and some people hate them. Some people have love and hate relationship with Walther P99 AS. In Pakistan, we have "BHAIR CHAAL", if some one says CZ 75 is the best weapon in the world, we start buying them, if some one says Viking has broken frame problem, we stop buying them.

I am also emphasizing that Canik55 is generally very well reputed company in Pakistan. We love Canik55 because they are cheap alternative to CZ 75. But when it comes to Canik55 TP-9, we start showing doubts as if Canik55 is going to ruin its reputation by making junk clone of a junk pistol.


It is not only people in Pakistan that would claim about CZ75 being a good weapon, one of the best ever made. It is a global phenomenon, and alongside the 1911, this is the most cloned weapon. There is nothing wrong in such 'Bhair Chaal' provided the weapon suits the shooter/owner.

But CZ also made a weapon in polymer frame, called CZ100. It was an absolute failure. This point, if you can comprehend, is being discussed here.

Having said that, one should go with his heart, and you must purchase TP9 if you fancy it. Let us know when you do own it, and we would like you to give comments and views about TP9, after you have reviewed and used it personally. That would be evidence to your case. We do hope it turns out an excellent weapon, but there is not enough proof of it as yet.

In my view, the price should not be any more than 45k (at least 5k cheaper than the Canik55 L120/Piranha etc).

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@MythBuster --> Sorry bro, I don't agree :)

1. Taurus G2 is 80k. It is also polymer. If I agree with you then it should be 50K.
2. Sounds like Glock is better/accurate/reliable than CZ. Because if CZ is 300K, you will not buy it but people are buying Glock in 300K.
3. TP-9 is a copy of Walther P99 AS. If P99 fails, so does TP-9.


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@Saif --> Comprehension :) Sounds sarcastic hahahahaaha

"Sarsilmaz B6 is gonna be a failure, because it's polymer and CZ 75 doesn't work well with polymer frames", as told by you.


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@Saif --> Comprehension :) Sounds sarcastic hahahahaaha

"Sarsilmaz B6 is gonna be a failure, because it's polymer and CZ 75 doesn't work well with polymer frames", as told by you.


Looks like you must do some research before posting, so that we can have a mature discussion. (Don't take this as sarcasm, this is an advise)

-Did I say CZ75 does not work well in polymer frames? Or did I say CZ100 does not work well? I said that CZ100 was an absolute failure, and nothing more. Do not imply my statements to what they are not. It would have passed more tests than the TP9, but it failed to gather interest from buyers.

-CZ100 is not a clone of CZ75. It was a different design, and failed to find success.

-TP9 is not a clone of CZ75 or Canik55 L120 etc. It is based on design which is yet to find success in comparison to CZ75 etc.

-B6 is a clone of CZ75. If it does not perform well, or is not reliable, the problem would be due to an error in copying/manufacturing from Sarslimaz, and not due to CZ75 design.


Now, some of your above posts and statement are more inclined towards arguments, that too without facts, or any base. Kindly avoid such posts where we would only argue without any depth of knowledge or learning. (this is not an advise, it is an indication!)

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But CZ also made a weapon in polymer frame, called CZ100. It was an absolute failure. This point, if you can comprehend, is being discussed here.



@Saif --> you were not clear in your statement, which led to confusion.


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@ polyglot80 bro we all love Canik 55, its just that we are not sure about TP-9, I think you should go ahead and purchase one and share your experience with us, so that if its as good as Shark or C100 or L120, I am sure we will all love TP-9 too...


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@SFA --> Sure bro, I will select a handgun among TP-9, CZ999 and Shark C. If I buy TP-9, then I will certainly write a review and inform you guys about it.


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If I buy TP-9, then I will certainly write a review and inform you guys about it.

Good. We will wait for review Sir. I know nothing about this gun. :)

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