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Hi, Brothers,

INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND

Canik, or "Yurt Savunma" is probably most qualified handgun manufacturers of Türkiye. Best materials available
and highest possible workmanship are used in the production concerning mostly on CZ 75 clones. As a measure
for quality policy, the "Slide Stop" of CZ 75 Clones have still been made as machining out from a forged solid steel
block that only could be encountered on first generation of SIG 210 for a time.

Though CZ75 is rather complicated, its performance within decades is on top in of all "Steel Framed" pistols, and
Canik succeded holding a good name as manufacturing such a "Hard to make" design within the years from start
to nowadays. Most probably, by encouraging with this experiment, another over complicated pistol design is put
into the production line as being, TP9.

TP9, with exception of some outside changes, is a direct copy of Walther P99, and it would be useful to know some
about this pistol for fully understanding TP9.

Walther Company was settled by Carl Walther of Germany, and gave numerous successfull pistol designs especially
by brain effort of Carl's Son, Fritz Walther, beginning with Model 1 and continueing to 9 and fameous PP/PPK and as
ending with P38 Pistols in which a separate locking block was used within a barrel embraced by slide, differing other
lock systems of same category containing a locking block working through the breechbolt embraced by a barrel
extention, like Mauser C96 and Bergman/Schmeisser 1910.

With some model changes, Walther P38 was the last brainchild of Walther Family and after some financial troubles,
Company was sold to another German Firm, "Umarex" working on fireworks.

Umarex was very innovative company, but gave no importance to Walther's traditional tendency of using a certain
difference than others in creating things with assets coming from its own, and on "WonderNine" days, did'nt hesitate
to accept Browning's Tilted Barrel Lock for the pistol designed to get benefit of this ascending trend. This pistol was
P88, made again in, traditional Walther Complexity, and was not a success at all, especiallly for high price.

By the presence of Glock, Walther /Umarex sensed another chance to get a success on new trend of plastic framed
pistols and with brain effort of Peter Dallhammer and Horst Wesp, created another school as a response to Glock as
resulted with launching P99 Pistol at near end of last century.

As usual, Walther Staffs Dalhammer and Wesp had exaggerated and overdesigned the pistol in ruling just Walther
Fashion, and new plastic framed P99, was nearly the most complicated striker firing pistols ever produced.

If Glock could be classified within "Service" pistols, P99 was a pistol for "Secret Service", and if Glock was "Foolproof",
P99 was simply "Fooling". In contrast for Glock's simple using for nearly every service personnel, P99 needed a full
education to use.

Glock had only one lenght of trigger pull for a precocked striker release and Walther had three, as one for single
action, one for double action and another one for single action with a double action trigger travel but in two different
pulling weight.

According to Dallhammer and Wesp, one of Glock defect should be the lack of repeated strike capability on an unfired
primer, therefore they made P99 a real double action, but double acting trigger was unaccurate to shot, and they
made P99 combined with single action, but single action trigger might get an accidental pull if so carried, thus
they made the single action trigger pull lengtenable to double aciton pull distance, but the user might not want to
carry the pistol in risky single action mode, therefore they made a decocker over the pistol.

Tha way, Dallhammer and Wesp chosed to achieve these tasks were also interesting. The pistol was striker fired
and the striker was of floating type, that was rebounding after impact by aid of a rebound spring, instead of a
simple leg or lug downward to get trigger contact, P99 Striker had a three pointed leg formed as the front tip to get
trigger bar contact for double action pull, the rear tip for setting the single action mechanism and at a side tip at
right to arrest the trigger bar in single action mode. there was another trigger bar bend to release the set single
action mechanism and this action were consisted of a striker holder instead of common sear and another support
to arrest this holder in cocked mode with striker. The striker holder support had an upright post to get contact
with slide mounted decocker and all parts were mounted within a plastic housing located at rear of handle receiver
with a stretch type spring pulling the trigger bar forward. Double acting cam were a pin mounted in right front of
this plastic housing. In parts diagram all these parts were marked by a single code.

Glock had to be trigger pulled to start field stripping, and Dalhammer and Wesp gave this task to decocker and
another special design working with dismount latch and trigger bar with a fixed camming pin. Dismount lock was a
bolt mounted in front of bottom of Barrel Locking underlug, an "U" shaped plastic cover forked at both sides of this
bolt through a transversal pin. When bottom of "U" shaped dismount latch lowered, a tip at its rear would find
a recess for trigger to go forward and thus the fixed camming pin would take the whole trigger bar downward taking
the obstruction for striker leg away, to go forward and permitting an easy field strip without trigger pull.

As compared with simplicity of Glock, P99 was realy a mechanical alarm clock. The pistol approach was hard to
understand for common users, but once used to, some began to love it. But amount of "Some" was not a success
and after a few years, designer Dallhammer created two plus models from the existing P99 as named "DAO"and "QA".
and standart model renamed as "AS". "DAO" type had only a triger bar and striker for straight double acting, "QA"
standing for "Quick Action" for a precocker striker action like Glock and a special rocker level was added for this task
into the plastic housing, and "AS" for "Anti Stress" for a different comment for standart pistol to supply the long
trigger reach for single action somewhat anti stressed use, or should it be added for "Add Stress" meaning.

The pistol was still confusing and over designed and at last years, two new model as "PPQ" and "P99Q", added both
being rather simplified and free from rather frilled features, as "PPQ" for a single action only mechanism without
cocked indicator and "P99Q", standart pistol with only one trigger pull distance. All P99 Pistols are still expensive at
All over The World.

CANIK TP 9

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Canik TP9 is a clone of complicated first generation P99 Pistols with some changes tried to avoid patent infringements
in countries like The USA if sold there. These are;

- Simplified Dismount Latch without underbelt rising a question about if a trigger pull being necessary for field
stripping.

- Push Button type one side Magazine Latch,

- Decocker on both sides with actually working on solely at left side in accordance with internal lay out.

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If summed up, working of TP9 is as follows;

After loading the chamber, pistol remains on single action mode and on firing, repeated shots are on this mode again
with a short trigger pull and light trigger weight.

If pistol fails to ignite the primer on single action shot, trigger goes to double acting mode, and anoher strike can be
made with a long and heavy trigger pull.

If user feels uncomfortable to carry the pistol on single action status, there is a twin headed decocker over the
slide to release the striker to full double action mode without danger.

DOUBLE ACTION TRIGGER POSITION
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SINGLE ACTION TRIGGER POSITION
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If user prefers to carry the pistol in single action status and thinks this mode would be risky via short trigger pull,
he can get the trigger in most forward position by simply drawing the slide a few centimeters back. In this mode,
the side point on striker leg frees the trigger bar forward and pistol remains with striker on full cocked with trigger on
forward mode. İf user prefers firing the pistol, he gets a slight weight pull up to single action release and rather heavy
relase weight on continiueing the pull. Over all pull is again lighter than double action pull.

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The field stripping should start with decocking and some little trigger pull may need to away the striker leg in front of
trigger bar. This last motion is not needed on P99 Walthers.

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There is a passive striker safety on path of striker and its works if a separation of slide and handle receiver occurs.
In contrast of common belief, passive striker safeties are not for muzzle front falls on Glock type pistols. Because
the trigger bar contact will be on the front of striker underleg all the time and prevent its fore movement if a muzzle
front drop happens.

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The striker holder support mentioned on P99 descibe, is the "Drop Safety" of pistol and in case of a fall or outsside
impact, it prevents to move the striker holder movement through the release direction.

Persons feeling themselves warm with P99 Action, might be supposed luçky as to purchase a Canik TP9 for a
price being nearly in fragments of price of the real piece and fınd high quality to be expected from this company.

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However, time is the best tester and what important within the "Wait and See" process is the place to be chosen
if on "To see" or "Being seen" sides.

Best regards.

[All images in this review were contributed by member "Polyglot80"]

RANGE UPDATE
Range performance of Canik TP9, shot by Khurrum2004

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Score Card

10 x 2 = 20
9 x 6 = 54
8 x 4 = 32
7 x 10 = 70
6 x 5 = 30
5 x 5 = 25

TOTAL = 231/320

MY views:

Fire Type: Deliberate by using 9mm Chinese RED BOX Ammunition...

Range Distance : 12 to 15 Mtr

1) Fire the pistol with both handed

2) Accurate pistol ( clearly much more accurate than me )

3) Very Low Recoil (As this was my first experience with GUN i did't feel any excessive recoii ) As per range incharge the feel was very low recoil.

4) The whole session went without any stoppages.
MOD EDIT: Above range performance has been taken from Khurrum2004's Range Report on Canik TP9 and has been posted here to make this review more comprehensive. Thanks to Polyglot80, strongarm and Khurrum2004 for making this review more comprehensive.

UPDATED ON 05/12/2012:

CANİK 55 TP9 > Review & Range Report by SA

During the last three years we've had an influx of Turkish pistols in our market and after having reviewed and performed range testing on various offerings by Tisas, Girsan, Sarsilmaz and Canik 55, I was waiting to review Canik 55's TP 9.This Sunday at the range, one of TGF's member - Khurram2004 came up to me and asked me whether I would like to review his Canik 55 TP9. In response, I had a smile on my face which can only be compared with the look on a 3 year old's face when someone offers him a new toy :)

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Canik 55 is a division of Samsun Yurt Savunma, one of Turkey’s biggest defense contractors. The TP9, is their version (a copy) of the Walther P99. While the P99 might have been the inspiration, the magazine release of the TP9 is comparatively better. Both P99 and TP9 are a bit too futuristic / modern looking for my taste, however, I'm sure there'll be many you dig this look.

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The TP9 is a polymer-framed 9mm pistol with a 17+1 capacity. This is a full-size gun with a 4-inch barrel. The action type of the TP9 is a bit unusual. It is a striker-fired gun, but it works a bit like a DA/SA pistol with an exposed hammer. When you first load the pistol and drop the slide, you have the option of leaving it as is. The trigger will stay all the way forward if you don’t touch it, but a light tug on it will reveal no pull weight for the first two-thirds of its travel length, then it will click into place. Pull the trigger then and the result will be a crisp 5-pound trigger pull.

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You can press the decocker at the top rear of the slide. When decocked, the trigger stays forward and you will get a long, traditional DA pull of about 10 pounds.

The De-cocker on top of the slide:

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The rear of the striker is painted red, and if you can see it through the hole in the back of the slide, you’ll know it is cocked. The pistol has no external safety.

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The polymer frame of the TP9 accommodates interchangeable backstraps, and two sizes–small and large–were provided with the pistol. I have medium-small hands, and the large backstrap put too much bulk on the pistol for my taste, but those of you with larger hands will probably like it a lot.

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The TP9 comes with two 17-round magazines with polymer basepads. The magazines are made by Mec-Gar, known worldwide for its quality. Mec-Gar is the OEM magazine supplier for a number of well-known pistols, including the S&W M&P, Ruger SR9, and single-stack Para USA 1911 magazines.

The Walther P99 has an ambidextrous lever-type magazine release that runs along the bottom of the trigger guard. The Canik 55 TP9 has a traditional magazine release on the frame behind the rear of the trigger guard. The mag release button is square, metal and aggressively checkered.

The frame has subdued finger grooves on the front, with horizontal serrations to improve gripping on the front and back. The sides of the grip are textured as well. This is a full-size pistol weighing 23 ounces with a grip that fills the hand, chambered in 9mm–aggressive checkering is not needed, as felt recoil isn’t bad at all.

Sights are a 3-dot variety filled with luminous green paint which glow in bright light and in the dark for a while. The rear sight is adjustable for windage. Both front and rear sights are polymer, and in my opinion, meet the bare minimum requirement, but the pistol shot slightly left of point of aim.

Overall Quality and Finishing:

Overall quality and finishing was average. There were tooling marks visible. The slide to frame fitting was also average.

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So how did the TP9 do? I put 40 rounds through the TP9 and experienced one malfunction (Failure to feed) with Chinese 311 ammo. Accuracy was pretty average for this size/type of gun.

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Great :)

So now all we need to do is merge the details descriptive review by brother Strongarm, with the pictorial one submitted by brother Polyglot .... and Tada! we have an almost complete review. The range report will probably be submitted after weekend when Polyglot gets to go to the range.

@ Strongarm,

Brother, do we have your permission to edit your post above to add a few pictures in it?

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SA wrote:
So now all we need to do is merge the details descriptive review by brother Strongarm, with the pictorial one submitted by brother Polyglot .... and Tada! we have an almost complete review. The range report will probably be submitted after weekend when Polyglot gets to go to the range.
I looks like a good idea. However, the review written by strongarm brother is a very detailed one and describes the product technically on merit. He has compared Walther P99 (of which TP-9 is a copy) with Glock 17 and tried to explain the complexities of P99 design against the simplicity of Glock design. In other words, his review is a bit critical of Walther p99 design. He also explains the reasons as to why Walther P99 design could not gain popularity, ie, higher price and a complicated design which could not out perform a Glock.

I wonder polyglot80 brother would like to merge his pics with this review?? :roll:

We may actually ask permission of both strongarm and polyglot80 before merging these reviews.

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Thanks for the effort brother. We are all very grateful for this. :handgestures-salute:

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@SA,

Of course, I would love to. Thanks in advance.


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As usual, Walther Staffs Dalhammer and Wesp had exaggerated and overdesigned the pistol in ruling just Walther
Fashion, and new plastic framed P99, was nearly the most complicated striker firing pistols ever produced.

If Glock could be classified within "Service" pistols, P99 was a pistol for "Secret Service", and if Glock was "Foolproof",
P99 was simply "Fooling". In contrast for Glock's simple using for nearly every service personnel, P99 needed a full
education to use.
@strongarm
I agree. But the question is that if guys at Walther were trying to produce a gun that competes Glock, why did they come up with such a complicated design?


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Glock had only one lenght of trigger pull for a precocked striker release and Walther had three, as one for single
action, one for double action and another one for single action with a double action trigger travel but in two different
pulling weight.

According to Dallhammer and Wesp, one of Glock defect should be the lack of repeated strike capability on an unfired
primer, therefore they made P99 a real double action, but double acting trigger was unaccurate to shot, and they
made P99 combined with single action, but single action trigger might get an accidental pull if so carried, thus
they made the single action trigger pull lengtenable to double aciton pull distance, but the user might not want to
carry the pistol in risky single action mode, therefore they made a decocker over the pistol.
Does it mean that they committed a mistake in trigger design and than in an effort to produce something good out of it which could compete or beat Glock , they kept changing the trigger design and finally produced something which was neither a classic SA / DA trigger nor a Glock like safe action trigger?

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strongarm wrote:
However, time is the best tester and what important within the "Wait and See" process is the place to be chosen
if on "To see" or "Being seen" sides.
I think we have to wait and see the performance of this gun. And the performance should be seen not by shooting few mags only but at least one thousand rounds. This will take time so we have to wait and see :roll:

But reading about the trigger I can feel that those shooters who are using guns with good quality triggers like CZ SP01 shadow and other CZ models and also good quality clones of CZ 75 like Canik stingray, shark, piranha etc will not like the trigger of TP9 very much. But one has to try the gun on range thoroughly before making a opinion :)

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@SA --> bro my pictorial review is in the general interest of the forum’s members. you can reuse my pics for any purpose. but if you are going to merge then keep it in mind that nobody will buy tp-9 lolz.

@strongam --> thanks for the write-up. bro have you really tried to dissemble tp9? i have done it and there is really no need of trigger pull at all. i am not commenting on other parts of your post because i have no experience of glock or p99.


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@KBW,

Simple designs are hardest to achieve. The points that P99 Designers saw as lacks,
most probably were in plus and minus alternatives discussed by Glock Designers and
decided not incuded in final form not to distrub the durability and simplicity of the
handgun.

If P99 Designers had the genius of comrade Vladimir mentioned on topic "A New Trigger
Concept", P99 would overshadow Glock up to that time.


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@ polyglot80,


I tried and felt a slight resistance on dismount process and stated as "may" on
text related on this matter. In fact, absence of dismount latch underbelt should
create such a necessity and, if absolutaly not, this shows the superıorıty of Canik
Designers over P99.

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strongarm wrote:
Simple designs are hardest to achieve. The points that P99 Designers saw as lacks,
most probably were in plus and minus alternatives discussed by Glock Designers and
decided not incuded in final form not to distrub the durability and simplicity of the
handgun.
If P99 Designers had the genius of comrade Vladimir mentioned on topic "A New Trigger
Concept", P99 would overshadow Glock up to that time.
I agree; simple designs are very hard to achieve and surely require a genius to do that. However, what in your view was the major reason for Walther P99 failure? It could never make a hotselling gun in the world like various models of Glock, CZ, Sig, Beretta etc. Was it the complicated design of Walther P99 or it's price which was almost twice that of Glock?
If I just see it as a buyer, in case of Glock, I am buying a better handgun in half the price of a P99.

Now, coming back to TP-9. It has the advantage of price as compared to original P99. However, not that much in Pakistan because when a common buyers in Pakistan compares, he does it with other guns in that price range and not with Walther P99 which is a very expensive gun in Pakistan.

Just for your info, Walther P99 sells in around $ 4000 in Pakistan, so does Glock. TP-9 is therefore not to be compared with these guns, merely from price point of view. The competitors of TP-9 are other models of Canik 55 (Shark, Piranha, L / C 100, etc), Sarsilmaz Klinc 2000 and Sarsilmaz B6, Baikal MP446 Viking, Zastava CZ 999 Scorpion, which are all in the range of 550-650 $. TP-9 costs a little more, 700-750 $. Would it be worth it to pay 100 $ extra? Would the user get better performance than Canik L100 or C100 or Piranha or Shark which cost around 550 $?

Than comes Taurus striker fired pistols like 24/7 etc. They cost almost the same as TP-9 or a little expensive but do not enjoy a very sound reputation in Pakistani market. But Caracal F or C is around 750-850 $, a little more expensive than TP-9 but not much of difference. Like TP-9, it's a plastic frame striker fired 9mm handgun. However, In my personal view, Caracal is a much better design than a TP-9 and buyer in Pakistan can get it in almost same price as TP-9, may be just 50-75 $ more.

So far, we do not have feedback on range performance of TP-9. And I agree with MB that authentic range performance can not be determined on the basis of shooting just a few magazines but on hundreds of rounds of ammo shot by at least 3-4 different users. Only than we would be able to determine reliability, functionality and accuracy of this handgun with some authenticity.

In my view, IF TP-9 PERFORMS VERY WELL AT THE RANGE, EQUAL TO OTHER MODELS OF CANIK55 SELLING IN PAKISTAN and the dealers bring the price down to 550 $ range (equal to other Canik55 pistols), only than TP-9 has a chance to survive in Pakistan market.

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In fact, Walther P99 is not a failure. There are a certain group of customer feeling happy with it and it survives up to
a level being not bigger than any kind of qualified object. They are made in Germany and thus, are expensive. Cost
of manufacturing can only be reduced via smartly decreasing the number of parts to be done. Unfortunately, Walthers
are not on this category.

Glock is not a perfect gun, but it is made very cleverly with minimum of parts needed for required task. Most notable
lack should be, "Repeated strike ability" as Walther Designers thought at one time, and if this feature is added in usual
manner, other luggages will come as a side or chain effect as happened to P99.

If thought, most of "Repeated Strike Capability" pistols carrying this function on "Double Action" mode, and this action
being a shorter and less powerfull than a "Single Action Stroke", success of a second strike would be lesser than the
single acted previous one, and subsequent repeates would be more useless as sacrificing a valuable time. Therefore,
except of a very few situation, this feature can not be classified as a "Lack" for known service pistols.


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@polyglot80,


There is an important point to remember on dismount process of TP9. As you know, the slide acts over the steel
slide rails inserted into the plastic handle receiver at rear and at breech section. If trigger is not pulled and field
stripping starts, striker will be cocked into the forwarding slide up to a place where rear slide rails end and, if moving
tolerances of slide/rail contacts is sufficient to play the back portion of slide upwards, the striker seperates from the
trigger bar and gives an impact to passive striker safety, but permits field stripping without need a trigger pull. This
might be the cause of resistance I felt and, bad point on this occurance is, unintential repeated impacts over the
passive striker safety may give deformation on safety body and make it immobile if a real firing necessity rises.

This is easily be seen as pushing down the rear of slide to keep contact with the receiver and check the necessity
for a trigger pull to carry on the dismounting process.



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@Strongarm,
I would not disagree in Glock design being superior to the p99, but when we talk about Canik tp9 vs Caracal, should we be paying about $100 additionally to Caracal, and more if we include the holster included in the TP9 retail package.

Further, I can imagine cz75 with decocker and firing pin block being complicated when compared to Glock, but a cz75 in SAO mode is actually much simpler, or at least I have found it to be. The SA/DA versions are a bit more complicated, with the dis-connector and timing issues to take care of, and the 'B' models add another set of components, the worse are decocker models being most complicated. However, when compared CZ75 SAO to a Glock (which is also just one action), the only additional parts are external safety (and related pins/detents), and the hammer assembly (spring, pins, strut, hammer). It is more parts, but I would not call it very complicated.

We can not, however, take any credit away from Canik55 for successfully making very good clones out of it, be it a less or more complicated design. They have done a good job.

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In fact, Walther P99 is not a failure. There are a certain group of customer feeling happy with it and it survives up to a level being not bigger than any kind of qualified object. They are made in Germany and thus, are expensive. Cost
of manufacturing can only be reduced via smartly decreasing the number of parts to be done. Unfortunately, Walthers
are not on this category.
I agree. When I wrote that P99 is a failure, I did not mean that the pistol had any functionality issues and it is a failure as a functioning gun. My statement was strictly with regard to selling volume. When we talk of the selling volume, Walther P99 failed to compete with Glock, Steyr M9 and S&W M&P 9, Springfield XD etc which are similar pistols in the market.


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If thought, most of "Repeated Strike Capability" pistols carrying this function on "Double Action" mode, and this action being a shorter and less powerfull than a "Single Action Stroke", success of a second strike would be lesser than the single acted previous one, and subsequent repeates would be more useless as sacrificing a valuable time. Therefore, except of a very few situation, this feature can not be classified as a "Lack" for known service pistols.
This is a very important point that you have raised. Many of us feel that second strike would greatly assist in firing a round which has not fired first time. In fact many a times on the range, a misfired round does actually fire on the second strike. However, that may be an ammo related problem. Thanks for sharing.

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@Saif,

The best is what you like best. Tastes are different for everybody and nobody can blame on others not to think the
same with.

But a comparasion with a hammer gun with striker one may have some confusements, also a complicated striker gun
like P99 may be compared with roughly same type of a gun, with a Taurus for instance.

As regarding to Caracal which is the direct rival of Glock in configuration, it also may be compared with TR9 for the
money to spend, and its superiority on a preferance is, its feature of being "Time Tested".

Besides, some love to play with guns. They mount/dismount them, clean,polish, buff etc... Some guns like Glocks are
not in that category. They are made to do what purposes to be done, like a needle of a sewing machine. If some
intend to have good time with such a gun, they even go out of order within a short time. But, guns like CZ 75 are not
that kind.


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Thank you for your reply.
It does make sense to pay the extra bit for a tested product.

And yes, you are right, I am the type that likes to play with guns, and am fond of good crisp smooth triggers!

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If the slide fails on fully closing the action, most of the power of first stike will be wasted to close the mass of
breeechbolt and only the second strike will reach and ignite the primer. This is encountered mostly on guns with
weak recoil springs and even on standart configuration if a chamber loaded çheck was made with the muzzle
pointing upward. This is one of a few really usefull situations that second strike capability counts. To prevent,
one can give a light tap over the slide to ensure the "Full Battery" situation.


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@strongarm --> If you read the TP-9 manual http://www.centuryarms.com/manuals/pdf_ ... o%20Pistol they don't instruct to pull trigger slightly for dissembly. So I have not been pulling it (or will ever pull it) during dissemble.


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@MythBuster --> Bro, I may provide the accuracy test. But for reliability test, I will not fire 1k rounds through my weapon :) (Not even in next 5 yrs. Sorry bro)


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I can't say about MB but when I mentioned that hundreds of rounds by different shooters from different handguns (TP-9) are to be fired to check the reliability with some degree of authenticity, it did not mean they are to be fired by you. Shooting your gun is entirely your prerogative and you may shoot it or not shoot it the way it pleases you.

However, without shooting the gun extensively, there is just no way that we can comment on the reliability and durability aspect. Till the time such data is collected, we have to wait and keep collecting the data from different people who buy this gun and shoot it. This is what happens with a new gun because you don't find people with practical experience. :)

Have a nice time with your new toy :)

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polyglot80 Brother,


I am, of course, aware of TP9 Manual. The lay out of pistol is also evident.

It seems that, Canik Company accepted the way of dismounting which I descibed ın previous post,
as usual, or standart for their products.


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@KBW --> Nicely explained. Thanks bro.
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@polyglot80
I can't say about MB but when I mentioned that hundreds of rounds by different shooters from different handguns (TP-9) are to be fired to check the reliability with some degree of authenticity, it did not mean they are to be fired by you. Shooting your gun is entirely your prerogative and you may shoot it or not shoot it the way it pleases you.

However, without shooting the gun extensively, there is just no way that we can comment on the reliability and durability aspect. Till the time such data is collected, we have to wait and keep collecting the data from different people who buy this gun and shoot it. This is what happens with a new gun because you don't find people with practical experience. :)

Have a nice time with your new toy :)

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+ 1.

And even you get a brand and model with an astonishing tack driving records, you must be aware of every individual firearm must be tested in the hands of its induvidual owner / shooter...I do not trust any semi-automatic handgun without firing at least 1000 ( one thousand ) trouble free rounds throug the pistol, be it a Glock, SIG Sauer or H&K, it does not matter since every mechanical device has its own potantial of human or material error....


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Dear Brothers,



There is a part of Walther P99 being so small in size, but great in function, and in better understanding of Canik TP9.

This is "Trigger Bar Guide".

On first generation p99, this part was a tiny, steel, beveled headed pin, mounted head down, into a small protection
just on top of right front of plastic "Fire Control Unit", or "Sear Housing", and its top could be seen through its hole
when the slide was taken out.

The beveled head of Trigger Bar Guide, rest against the top surface of trigger bar on which the two slopes joined, as
slight sloped in front and sudden sloped at back, both giving a vertical movement for trigger bar, as front one for
DA trigger action release via rearward movement by trigger pressure, and rear one for clearing the way out of
striker underleg for field stripping via forward movement of trigger when Dismount Latch Pressed down.

The plastic protection where "Trigger Bar Guide" pinned, was one of the weakest places of P99, and, the extractor
retaining pin on the slide, if sligthly gave its bottom tip out of its recess, might broke this tiny plastic and made the
whole gun unoperable during recoil action.

This plastic protection was reshaped a few times to correct the issue, and eventually the fixed trigger bar guide
has been changed with a vertically movable lever removably pinned at right side of plastic sear housing as being
factory adjustable by a small hex screw mounted into the ex-location of old trigger bar guide. All new P99's have
this type of mentioned guide.

Regarding to TP9, this part is of old type, fixed, and differed from the original at function that, working at only
forward slope, as lowering the trigger bar at DA trigger action, and the rear slope is out of order since there is no
forward trigger bar movement coming from the lowered dismount latch.

On the other hand, it is a must to clear off the trigger bar from the path of striker underleg for a field stripping,
and, Canik's way to solve the problem is different.

If carefully looked for, another different place can be seen at underside of the slide at breechblock section. This is
the "Disconnector Notch" cut at right of that place with a more slight angled slope at back than the original. This
backward slope is the remedy to lower the trigger bar from the way out of striker underlug during dismounting
process and works in correlation with disconnector tip integrally cut out of top of the trigger bar for this motion.
On dismounting, forwardly moving slide, presses down the trigger bar via this slope and gradually lowers the same
with a minimum felt resistance coming from to cock the striker and eventually giving a blow against to the passive
striker safety being in a par with the power of a DA strike. Factory must have had precautions in due course to
cushion the impact.

The considerable distance between two points of "Disconnector Notch" under the slide is also present on whole
P99 Types and reveals another weakness of this kind of pistols on a possible "Battery Off" issues expectable.
However, this is not special with P99 Pistols and a "Minus" feature of all pistols having integral disconnector tips
movable with trigger bar, and being more handicapped for pistols with trigger axis pin over the triger bar like, SW
SİGMA, MP, Beretta Nano, CZ75, Benelli M76.



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@SA --> Looks good.

@strongarm --> Can you please provide the range report? I am not able to do so right now.


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Neither do I, unfortunatelly.


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Excellent Info on the P99. In my opinion, if Canik can copy the Walther P99 which is a complex pistol.....Then they can surely copy the Glock aswell....So why havent they done that already.....????

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@ Rotorcrafts,


In finished form, Walther P99 is more compicated pistol than a Glock, but initial
manufacturing to provide long lasting parts is much more complex process than
building high number of parts. For instance, plastic ejector or connector housing
of Glock, if made uncorrectly, can not control trigger bar integrated sear release
even a few hundred shots. Tool Making and plastic usage technology is so critical
and experience requiring. However, Canik 55 approach in handgun making can
manage to overcome such difficulties in a reasonable time.


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Yes Exactly, Although Akdal failed miserably when they produced their Ghost pistol but i am confident that if Canik makes a Glock clone they will succeed.

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Since members wanted to have a range report, the main review on page 1 has been updated with the range report from our member Khurrum2004.
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can anyone tell me the current price of tp 9? and which dealer has it?
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Expect to pay 65+. Not sure about dealer.


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Expect to pay 65+. Not sure about dealer.

ok thanks sir ji

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I've added my review in the first post of this Review thread.

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That's a very practical input SA, thanks for the effort. :text-bravo:

TP9 looks like an interesting gun though I know that it has been over priced by the dealers. It's not worth that much (means import price is less) and dealers still have lot of margin in it.

I agree that accuracy is not good but it's not very bad either. The gun is making an average 5-6" group from 15 m which is ok for a normal gun. Actually, we all have CZs and that has lifted the accuracy standards to an extent that other guns just look average. :mrgreen:

BTW, I would suggest to all members who write reviews to shoot the gun from the rest so that shooter's errors are minimised. In a review, we all are more interested to see the performance of the gun and not the shooter.

Secondly, I have learnt over the years that few odd targets shot by same shooter (standing without support) with the same gun actually give us a mix of shooter's performance and the performance of that particular piece; NOT THAT MODEL.

Inorder to comment on the accuracy potential of a particular model with authenticity, we must atleast test 5 pieces (preferably 10), the gun should preferably be fired from ransom rest or at least with arms properly resting so that shooter factor is either eliminated or minimised. In accuracy test, only group size should be measured and zeroing of the gun should not be confused with its accuracy. The average of groups fired with different ammos and different guns be taken and used as reference.

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Nice review of my Gun by @SA......... Thanks a lot........


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Khan381 wrote:
Got today TP9 via some contacts nib for 52k...

Khan381, congrats brother. Now this gun is reasonably priced. Earlier at 65-75 k, it was too much over priced and was not a good buy. In 52 k (or may be a little less), it is a nice gun to have in my view.

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Got today TP9 via some contacts nib for 52k...

Khan381, congrats brother. Now this gun is reasonably priced. Earlier at 65-75 k, it was too much over priced and was not a good buy. In 52 k (or may be a little less), it is a nice gun to have in my view.


Thanks KBW, actually i was confused between caracal and tp-9, caracal was not recommeded by most of frnds n dealers so i took tp9, though testing phase will be done on some weekend, now lets c how gun performs with different kind of ammo.. :).. n ya not to mention i searched for some extra magz in the market but unable to find yet..


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Good range report and initial review :)

Any update on the performance and reliability of the TP-9 by it's owners, now that quite some time has passed?


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